Four Beasts of Daniel 7 and current events

I think it was Chris White who first cued me to the contemporaneous
beast angle on Daniel 7. White doesn't try to identify them saying that
once you understand the details you will spot them when they arise, so
I went looking for others with similar ideas.

The winged lion was identifiable as Britain America the former being
symbolized by a lion and the latter by an eagle, and language culture
and founding ethnicity are the same. Currently the USA is the major
aerospace power, but being challenged. And it is the main puppeteer
behind first the UN and especially now NATO.

The wing being plucked would point to a takedown which would likely
impact them both. Indeed, in a recent near disaster, the USA was
ready to do a pre emptive nuclear strike on Russia, and was prevented
only because the base commander followed the protocol left in place
by Hegel to prevent such an event. She was relieved of duty on a
pretext and the remark made she had no role in handling nukes. Which
is ridiculous given she ran the base and would have to do with the
orders to launch them. Obviously a coverup in play.

Simultaneously, the UK was readying to do the same thing, and Russia
went on full alert and Putin disappeared for a while, because the
Internet traffic that incl. military stuff was routed through the Ukraine,
and Russian intelligence picked it up.

A vague report from a forum on this sort of thing, was said to have
incl. that there is a signal operating when the Russian "dead hand"
doomsday device is operating, and it had been offline a while. That
was probably when the decision was made to attack.

The dead hand is a system that would launch counterstrike even if no
one gave the order. It would detect a nuclear attack by three criteria
its sensors picked up, and launch without being given an order. So
the deaths of those who could give such orders would not stop this.

Presumably it is back online now. Back to Mutual Assured Destruction.
A good deterrent.

This event shows that USA and UK can and do work together. UK has
been beating war drums lately a little.

The second beast, a bear, is noted by Chris White as being lifted up
on one side grammar indicating it is not rearing up but being lifted by
forces affecting it, which he thinks are what are saying to arise and
attack. BUT THESE WORDS COME FROM THE RIBS.

So what is Russia doing? Russia is going into a more and more
aggressive mode, but it is being forced to do this by external forces,
the expansion of NATO to its very doors, and the Kiev putsch
designed to cut off its Black Sea access, which would cut off its
Mediteranean access which would stop its interference with US
designs on Syria. Russian and Chinese warships were patrolling
and I think China announced it was going to be permanently
present in the Mediteranean.

The only analyst I have seen try to identify the leopard, claimed
God told him to get a newspaper or something like that, and he saw
an article on the German Panzer tank, so he figure Germany was
the leopard, i.e., Nazi Germany, and that's over. (Panzer means panther,
i.e., leopard.) This cannot be correct, because the beasts are
contemporaneous, because the fourth beast crushes ALL of them.

It is of course possible that the tank is a hint and the leopard will
be using German tanks. India acquired the modern version, so it
might become the leopard. It is working on space activity and of
course has military and civilian aircraft. Leopards exist in India.
But patient stealth and waiting and then sudden attack are not a
feature of Indian reputation over the centuries.

Someone reported such an Indian tank in China, but more importantly
China has incorporated German Panzer features in its present top of
the line tank.

China would fit the leopard in terms of character and being leopard
habitat. Four wings are of a fowl, not an eagle, so might refer to the
birds it primarily uses: chicken, duck, goose and assorted pet birds.
Four heads are more of a problem. Four phases of its history maybe
that contributed essential things to its present condition? or four
loci of power? China has been positioning itself in Africa, Mexico
and South America, though not so extensively in Mexico that this
could be a locus in near future of political power. It is a major customer
of Iranian oil and supports Iran and Syria against US regime change
plans. China also has a jihadi problem it is aggressively addressing,
and might end up invading the Middle East to put a stop to it.

Another candidate might be a near future Kurdistan, definitely four
loci of power, the Turkish, Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian sections. In this
case the four wings might represent four external sources of support
that empower it, and perhaps even such technological development
to have great aerospace capability.

But China is way ahead in this. Civilian, military, and near space
and in future could go to deep space.

I think China is more likely the leopard.

Russia has annexed Crimea, by Crimean request. South Ossetia
has essentially joined Russia by a recent treaty of integration. eastern
Ukraine will probably follow suit at some point.

The ribs in the bear's mouth would seem to be victims, and this is
how these places are viewed by the media, but they are not victims.
Russia is being forced into an aggressive stance, being practically
encircled. South Ossetia, Crimea and eventually eastern Ukraine
will probably encourage it to attack, or advisors from these
locations will do so.

At this point, eastern Ukraine becoming a viable independent state,
which then is accepted into Russia (it already asked and Russia
refused), would be the likely start of a major war.

US is already sending arms to Ukraine-Kiev. This might go on as a
proxy war for some time. But if eastern Ukraine becomes the third
rib, some of Europe will support Ukraine-Kiev and others incl.
Germany will play neutral or support Russia.

At this point, advisors from these places, or their local governing
bodies will advocate Russia annex Europe to render it harmless,
and direct war with USA and UK will ensue.

And USA/UK will lose. the wings being plucked may well refer to
destruction of our military flight capability, probably by destruction
of satellites that the military increasingly depends on. Not to mention
EMP. (electromagnetic pulse from a nuke, or from a directed energy
weapon.)

USA/UK will repent of their sins and go on in a reduced conditon,
but not nonexistent, or at least USA will. UK might get occupied and
annexed.

So that's my take on all this.

Russia greets Tsipras

the first visitor to the winner of the Greek election, Tsipras, was the Russian
ambassador, and Greece is opposing EU sanctions on Russia. Russia has said
that if Greece sought financial help it would consider the request. Cyprus is
also looking to Russia. (from youtube.)

Looks like the groundwork to a shift in power from EU to Russia is starting.
Even Germany is uncomfortable with the dollar and looking to get into BRICS.
If a war breaks out between Turkey and Greece over some islands, or on
Cyprus, Russia will probably back Greece and Greek Cyprus. http://usawatchdog.com/germany-secretly-planning-on-joining-brics-jim-willie/

http://www.hangthebankers.com/germany-looking-to-join-the-brics/

China opening move in the Middle East?

From twitter, "China plans to open a consulate in Kurdistan Region's capital Erbil
in the next coming days."

To be in prophecy you need to be a major player in the Middle East. At present,
a future Kurdistan and China are neck and neck to be the four headed four winged
leopard of Daniel 7.

Both would fit the bill, but China is far enough away you wouldn't think they
would be a presence there. Britain and America have (with French help) shaped
the Middle East and created the groundwork for modern Israel, with the Balfour
Declaration and previous maneuvering with Turkey and Saudi Arabia getting
their support for a Jewish homeland there.

Russia has tangled with Turkey in the Ottoman past, and might do so again.
Currently it is working on a pipeline deal. And has prevented American bombing
of Assad and interfered in the regime change planned. The possibility it would
become a major permanent presence in the Middle East exists. Russia and China
both support Iran and Syria, because of oil concerns.

Russia is popularly viewed as a bear, for the past several centuries.
Astrogeography is an issue, because Ursa Major travels overhead above Russia
as well as North America. But American and Britain (the eagle's wings and
the lion body and head) is already accounted for, it can't be the bear. Since
Daniel 7 seques into the Second Coming of Jesus Christ it has to be viewed
in terms of what would its beast symbols possibly refer to NOW?

Because even if all prophecy experts are wrong on everything, one thing
stands out. Daniel 12:4 says what will characterize "the time of the end: many
shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

That is definitely now. It is too worldwide a phenomenon, and escalating,
for the past 200 or 300 years, to not fit this. Even if once in past it was
comparable, or local trends here and there, the present scene of travel and
the increase of knowledge is not then but now, and unprecedented as an
ongoing, not crop out brief, phenomenon.

If Kurdistan is not the leopard, though it might be one of the heads or
wings on the leopard, it could easily be the foothold of China and Russia
in the Middle East. If they especially China give it support and technology
and it becomes a power, they especially China in its fight against jihad,
will have reshaped the Middle East and helped the creation of something
that will likely be a player to the end.

This is speculation. The bear's role so far has been minimal.

Prophecy writers and fans will howl and scream at this, because they
blindly think our various western nations' history is all that matters, and
the bear has played a big role. But not so much in the Middle East, and
that is the center of the world, the rest of us are in the periphery and
the "islands," the huge chunks (incl. continents) that broke off the original
one solid land mass. (aka pangea, but the reason I think this is not from
the scientists so much as Genesis chapter 1.)

So time must pass and Russia be a major presence in the Middle East,
and whoever the leopard is must develop as such, either from a small
element already present, or as a foreign element that becomes a presence
such as China.

Rethinking my previous post, though it is possible it seems
unlikely. The winged lion as Britain-America-NATO has
had more impact relevant to prophecy, in bringing Israel
back to its homeland, than any other option for the winged
lion. It has been a major player in the Middle East in other
ways also before during and after that time to the present.

A New Twist on the Winged Lion?

Lately I've been following the action in Syria and Iraq involving
Kurdish resistance to ISIL. And I stumbled on this. Seems the
eagle and sometimes the falcon is a kind of totem animal for them.

And they are (at least lately) being referred to as lions. And there are
four main loci of operation, which might end up being four separate
Kurdistans or four autonomous regions within a united Kurdistan:
Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran (with some scattered presence elsewhere).
This of course would only be relevant to the chicken winged leopard,
not the eagle winged lion.

It is being argued that they, being devoted to multiethnic peace
and being more focussed on their culture and people than on
any one religion, therefore devoted to secularism (at least those
running the Iraqi and Syrian sections and the PKK element
in Turkey) are the best boots on the ground against ISIS/ISIL,
and should get a lot more help from the USA.

Russia has a history of friendly relations with the Kurds.

The Kurds have a plethora of religions among them, both main
strands of Islam (with a lot of concomitant problems like
arranged marriages and female genital mutilation in Iraq and
probably elsewhere, but a long and complicated history of
some undercurrent of sex equality that occasionally surfaces
in the form of some female tribal leader or woman warriors
here and there, and you can search old photos of them and
maybe once see a veiled woman and only produced a few
jihadis so far), at least three zoroastrian connected small weird
cults and 10% of the population is Christian. Apparently you
are not at that much risk of being killed for converting from
Islam to Christianity among them, one of the earlier Barzanis
who left a legacy of environmental and other issues was a
Christian convert and didn't lose his leadership position.

Both the Rojava (Syria) and KRG (Iraq) groups have just
outlawed polygamy and the latter are looking at prosecuting
those who evade the law already in place by going outside of
Kurdish controlled land. Both have female combat troops,
though the KRG run Peshmerga may be scaling back their
actual use, while in Rojava (location of Kobane) the PYD
govt. there has both male (YPG) and female (YPJ) combat
units in place before the ISIS attack that brought them to world
attention.

yes Babylon WAS reduced to ruins

this article shows that, contrary to a lot of modern interpreters, 

Babylon WAS destroyed, not by Cyrus but by repeated invaders 

after him. Since it was to be destroyed to not be inhabited again, 

and is only ruins, only some outlying villages remain but not the 

city, at one point travellers couldn't even see the ruins and 

weren't sure it ever existed, this is not going to be end time 

Babylon.

http://www.dabar.org/semreview/fallbabyprob.html

The theory that Jerusalem is end time Babylon fails because of 

Revelation saying that it is spiritually called Sodom where Jesus 

Christ was Crucified.

That leaves Rome as a possible, but NOT A ROMAN CATHOLIC 

ROME! if Rome is end time Babylon in Revelation it is not a 

Roman Catholic (or any kind of Christian unless maybe 

hyper charismatic of the Bethel Church in Redding, CA 

sort) Rome. The reason is, that this looks like a revival 

of paganism (not disguised paganism as detractors of 

Romanism like to call it) and Reconstructionist Paganism 

is working there now. Reconstructionist Paganism take 

archaeological and historical information, and attempts 

to recreate accurately (not in a misty eyed New Age sense) 

the paganism of pre Christian cultures, thus, Celtic 

Reconstructionism, Slavic Reconstructionism, Aztec 

Reconstructionism, etc. etc. 

The Greek form was granted legal status in Greece some 

years back, followed by a rash of fires I think was the 

wrath of God. The Roman Reconstructionism is working 

in Italy. Since I haven't been on the yahoo egroups that 

specialize in any of this for several years, my information 

is out of date, and unless the movements collapsed I can 

only assume they are gaining more ground. 

These appeal to ethnic pride and a sense of antiquity and 

basically all argue that a people should worship their 

ancestral "gods" and not Jesus Christ.

while there is evidence that "Babylon" was a nickname

given by Jews to Rome, and that likely Peter did refer to

Rome when saying "Babylon" since in those days Christian

and Jewish pop culture were the same, that doesn't mean

the Vatican has anything to do with this. (It is not even on

any of the seven hills of Rome, and is outside both modern

and ancient Roman city limits.)

There might be other options. Or Babylon the Great a mystery might 

be what Mark S. Watson called a "moving stronghold," a spiritual 

stronghold that relocates when its host is destroyed, and he and 

others figure it is currently USA or at least New York City.

Wikipedia shows that of all the cities in the world built on seven hills, 

USA has TWENTY of them. The 20 cities listed incl. many I know 

nothing about, but the ones I do know something about are 

part of the great evil so "Babylon" might refer to a network of 

cities involved in this, with NYC at the apex. Other possibilities exist, 

this might take longer to play out than most think. 

Mecca as Babylon fails because nothing that happens to it would be 

visible from the ships at sea, unless some cataclysm turns it into a 

deep water port in future.

Daniel Revisited book review

Daniel Revisited by Mark Davidson

This writer has done some good research, but he is making some

bad mistakes.

Legio X that destroyed Jerusalem and The Temple were Syrian

and Arab, Titus gave remarks identifying them as such.

Hubal was the god of the Quraish, H'bal was how baal was said,

and allah is basically “the god” meaning whatever god you were

talking about so hubal was allah of Quraish and of the Kaaba, the

main one there, and appeared as a man. So did “gabriel” who

acted like a demon. Islam is repackaged baal worship.

The people of the ruler to come would then be Syrian specific

or Arab in general. However, might be an Arab who had Jewish

ancestry of the tribe of Dan, born in Rome with Roman

citizenship from an unchaste nun and the Arab or Syrian man,

and himself technically islamic or even Christian, in theory, a

nominal, who becomes a regional ruler in the northen segment

of the last empire, and rises to power in that empire, displacing

other rulers or annexing their regions.

Islamic Antichrist errs in assuming that the statue dream is from

the perspective of Babylon, and Rome in having power over

Babylon even part of the time conquered it, and the wording

doesn't require the kind of total conquest the writer ascribes,

and Rome did conquer Ctesiphon at least once.

It is unreasonable that Rome, which ruled over Judea, would not

be in prophecy, and it is in its day that the eternal kingdom is

set up Christ's first coming, not in the days of Islam.

The first horseman who conquers is probably Islam, and/or the

Turks.

That the ram vision has to do with Antiochus Epiphanius does

not rule out it being end times also, that the former was a

prefiguring and will play out again, because Antiochus did

fulfill all these points or most of them.

One of the biggest weaknesses of this writer is that he ignores

the Scriptures which SAY THAT THE RAM AND GOAT

ARE ABOUT THE MEDO PERSIAN EMPIRE AND THE

GREEKS. No end time relevance.

The deep leafy green implication of chloros of the “pale” horse

being the islamic green, might be legitimate, and the fourth

of the world equating to islamic held turf looks like a fit, so

some of this may be islamic persecution of Christians and Jews